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	<description>Author of fantasy fiction, activist, and big fat geek</description>
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		<title>Comment on 13 reasons this book made me homicidal: a review of Thirteen Reasons Why by Jay Asher by Katje</title>
		<link>http://katjevanloon.com/2012/01/19/13-reasons-this-book-made-me-homicidal-a-review-of-thirteen-reasons-why-by-jay-asher/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katje]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*But from your review, I have a strong feeling that the uncertainty in this book would not ring true to my experiences of uncertainty – I suspect it’d be some dude’s uninformed (or informed only by what rape culture itself says about the matter) imagining of what it might be like.*

Exactly this. That was the exact feeling I got from the book. You are always so coherent with what I want to say. (And you&#039;re welcome to continue your residence in my brain. ;))

The book overall made me feel betrayed. A man chose to write about rape and did it badly, coming from a place of privilege, and it was obvious that he&#039;d never actually experienced what the character had. It was a slap in the face to survivors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*But from your review, I have a strong feeling that the uncertainty in this book would not ring true to my experiences of uncertainty – I suspect it’d be some dude’s uninformed (or informed only by what rape culture itself says about the matter) imagining of what it might be like.*</p>
<p>Exactly this. That was the exact feeling I got from the book. You are always so coherent with what I want to say. (And you&#8217;re welcome to continue your residence in my brain. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>The book overall made me feel betrayed. A man chose to write about rape and did it badly, coming from a place of privilege, and it was obvious that he&#8217;d never actually experienced what the character had. It was a slap in the face to survivors.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 13 reasons this book made me homicidal: a review of Thirteen Reasons Why by Jay Asher by SunflowerP</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SunflowerP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ll likely want to supplement your reading of &lt;i&gt;Go Ask Alice&lt;/i&gt; with info about its (suspicious) back history - its Wikipedia article is a pretty fair summary.

More generally - I can completely get &quot;not sure&quot; as a possibility, because I&#039;ve got any number of &quot;compromised consent&quot; incidents in my background that I&#039;m not always sure if &quot;rape&quot; is the right word for.  (I should write a blog post - and in fact, that&#039;s how I got here; &quot;consent&quot; somehow became my blogreading theme of the week, and I&#039;ve been collecting links, with future writing of my own as one of the expected results.  Usually I just read I&amp;I - so much Internet to read, so little time.)  But from your review, I have a strong feeling that the uncertainty in this book would &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; ring true to &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; experiences of uncertainty - I suspect it&#039;d be some dude&#039;s uninformed (or informed only by what rape culture itself says about the matter) imagining of what it &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; be like.

Sunflower]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll likely want to supplement your reading of <i>Go Ask Alice</i> with info about its (suspicious) back history &#8211; its Wikipedia article is a pretty fair summary.</p>
<p>More generally &#8211; I can completely get &#8220;not sure&#8221; as a possibility, because I&#8217;ve got any number of &#8220;compromised consent&#8221; incidents in my background that I&#8217;m not always sure if &#8220;rape&#8221; is the right word for.  (I should write a blog post &#8211; and in fact, that&#8217;s how I got here; &#8220;consent&#8221; somehow became my blogreading theme of the week, and I&#8217;ve been collecting links, with future writing of my own as one of the expected results.  Usually I just read I&amp;I &#8211; so much Internet to read, so little time.)  But from your review, I have a strong feeling that the uncertainty in this book would <i>not</i> ring true to <i>my</i> experiences of uncertainty &#8211; I suspect it&#8217;d be some dude&#8217;s uninformed (or informed only by what rape culture itself says about the matter) imagining of what it <i>might</i> be like.</p>
<p>Sunflower</p>
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		<title>Comment on SFFSat, Feb 4th: a snippet from Bellica by Writer Wednesday: Hot fresh novel, available on Kindle now! &#124; Katje van Loon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Writer Wednesday: Hot fresh novel, available on Kindle now! &#124; Katje van Loon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Hot fresh novel, available on Kindle&#160;now!  Posted on February 8, 2012 by Katje     As I mentioned briefly on Saturday, Bellica is now available for the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hot fresh novel, available on Kindle&nbsp;now!  Posted on February 8, 2012 by Katje     As I mentioned briefly on Saturday, Bellica is now available for the [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on 13 reasons this book made me homicidal: a review of Thirteen Reasons Why by Jay Asher by OH! I&#8217;ve been tagged. &#124; Innocence and Immanence</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OH! I&#8217;ve been tagged. &#124; Innocence and Immanence]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 10:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on 13 reasons this book made me homicidal: a review of Thirteen Reasons Why by Jay Asher by Some Interesting Blogs and Articles About the Issue of Communication, Sex, and Rape &#171; mindfulconsideration</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Some Interesting Blogs and Articles About the Issue of Communication, Sex, and Rape &#171; mindfulconsideration]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 06:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on 13 reasons this book made me homicidal: a review of Thirteen Reasons Why by Jay Asher by Katje</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katje]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh my gods. First of all, *hugs*. Thank you for having the courage to share your story on my blog.
 
Second, I&#039;m really glad I reviewed this book, then. Because I had no idea that there would be so much rape and assault in it, and I&#039;m just glad it was so badly written that it didn&#039;t trigger me. However, it may trigger others, and I think there need to be warnings out there. 

My &#039;grey-area&#039; rapes happened over ten years apart (and yeah, I&#039;m 25, so...) and both times I wasn&#039;t sure myself what had happened. Because, I too, was raised in a culture that tells me coercion isn&#039;t rape. I&#039;ve never come out and directly named the people who did it -- not publicly. I&#039;ve told some friends. The first rape took me 10 years to realize the truth of -- and my boyfriend at the time was also the one who had to inform me what I&#039;d been through. 

This is what pisses me off about this book. People like you and me had to ask someone else if what we went through was rape, because we&#039;ve been taught for so long that it wasn&#039;t. Hannah goes through the same thing and neither Clay nor Mr. Porter help her realize what it was, nor does the author make it clear it was rape. He lets it stay in &#039;grey-area&#039;. The whole thing is irresponsible. 

I have not read Go Ask Alice, but I&#039;ll put it on my list of things to read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my gods. First of all, *hugs*. Thank you for having the courage to share your story on my blog.</p>
<p>Second, I&#8217;m really glad I reviewed this book, then. Because I had no idea that there would be so much rape and assault in it, and I&#8217;m just glad it was so badly written that it didn&#8217;t trigger me. However, it may trigger others, and I think there need to be warnings out there. </p>
<p>My &#8216;grey-area&#8217; rapes happened over ten years apart (and yeah, I&#8217;m 25, so&#8230;) and both times I wasn&#8217;t sure myself what had happened. Because, I too, was raised in a culture that tells me coercion isn&#8217;t rape. I&#8217;ve never come out and directly named the people who did it &#8212; not publicly. I&#8217;ve told some friends. The first rape took me 10 years to realize the truth of &#8212; and my boyfriend at the time was also the one who had to inform me what I&#8217;d been through. </p>
<p>This is what pisses me off about this book. People like you and me had to ask someone else if what we went through was rape, because we&#8217;ve been taught for so long that it wasn&#8217;t. Hannah goes through the same thing and neither Clay nor Mr. Porter help her realize what it was, nor does the author make it clear it was rape. He lets it stay in &#8216;grey-area&#8217;. The whole thing is irresponsible. </p>
<p>I have not read Go Ask Alice, but I&#8217;ll put it on my list of things to read.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 13 reasons this book made me homicidal: a review of Thirteen Reasons Why by Jay Asher by Aubs Tea</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is why I rarely foray outside of my comfortable little box.

As someone who has not read this book, let me wade into the &#039;not knowing&#039; if it was rape topic: I didn&#039;t know. I had to ask MY BOYFRIEND OF THE TIME. And why is that? That would be because I grew up in a culture where that wasn&#039;t talked about. I grew up in a culture where rape was rare, never perpetrated by someone you knew, and happened in a black fucking alley on your way to the fucking library.

What&#039;s worse about MY &quot;grey area rape&quot; (good phrase!) was that it was SO grey area that twelve fucking jurors didn&#039;t find the shit guilty. Not only did I have to deal with the fall out from being sixteen, having been raped, not knowing it was rape, accusing an ex-football player, accusing a black man, and being universally considered a lying, attention-seeking whore... I also got to deal with a jury calling me a fucking liar.

So off-topic but it came spewing out. XD

Anyway, as I said, this is why I stick to what I read almost exclusively. Whenever I think about something new, I get smacked in the phase with some asshole who doesn&#039;t know what the hell they&#039;re going on about.

Quick aside: have you ever read Go Ask Alice? I think that&#039;s what it&#039;s called... it was written by &#039;anonymous&#039; and was critically acclaimed some years back. Apparently, just as shitty and in need of a ttear-down of Katje proportions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I rarely foray outside of my comfortable little box.</p>
<p>As someone who has not read this book, let me wade into the &#8216;not knowing&#8217; if it was rape topic: I didn&#8217;t know. I had to ask MY BOYFRIEND OF THE TIME. And why is that? That would be because I grew up in a culture where that wasn&#8217;t talked about. I grew up in a culture where rape was rare, never perpetrated by someone you knew, and happened in a black fucking alley on your way to the fucking library.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s worse about MY &#8220;grey area rape&#8221; (good phrase!) was that it was SO grey area that twelve fucking jurors didn&#8217;t find the shit guilty. Not only did I have to deal with the fall out from being sixteen, having been raped, not knowing it was rape, accusing an ex-football player, accusing a black man, and being universally considered a lying, attention-seeking whore&#8230; I also got to deal with a jury calling me a fucking liar.</p>
<p>So off-topic but it came spewing out. XD</p>
<p>Anyway, as I said, this is why I stick to what I read almost exclusively. Whenever I think about something new, I get smacked in the phase with some asshole who doesn&#8217;t know what the hell they&#8217;re going on about.</p>
<p>Quick aside: have you ever read Go Ask Alice? I think that&#8217;s what it&#8217;s called&#8230; it was written by &#8216;anonymous&#8217; and was critically acclaimed some years back. Apparently, just as shitty and in need of a ttear-down of Katje proportions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Monday Musings: Rape Culture and Fatphobia by Katje</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katje]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Total ditto. For all that I&#039;ve reached the acceptance and self-love point now and that it&#039;s considered fairly early to do so, I wish it had happened back in, oh, high school. Would have made everything a lot easier on me. Or, well, if not easier -- better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Total ditto. For all that I&#8217;ve reached the acceptance and self-love point now and that it&#8217;s considered fairly early to do so, I wish it had happened back in, oh, high school. Would have made everything a lot easier on me. Or, well, if not easier &#8212; better.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Friday Five by Katje</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks! Don&#039;t be too jealous; I managed to come down with a cold and had to fly with a sinus headache. Penance for vacation during school time, I guess. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! Don&#8217;t be too jealous; I managed to come down with a cold and had to fly with a sinus headache. Penance for vacation during school time, I guess. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katje]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks! The Spanish thing is like some sort of specialized course. I&#039;m not really sure how it works; only that it focuses on *communication* and not strictly adhering to grammatical rules. So. We&#039;ll see how it goes, I guess. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! The Spanish thing is like some sort of specialized course. I&#8217;m not really sure how it works; only that it focuses on *communication* and not strictly adhering to grammatical rules. So. We&#8217;ll see how it goes, I guess. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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